Turbine, or not Turbine
By Rob S
As my brother and I were discussing my last hub “Water for Fuel and Chaos will Ensue”, he brought up the fact that a turbine is more economical than a reciprocating engine. Light bulb! “Are you going to write about it, or shall I?” I asked. He handed me the reins with his blessing. I grovel at his feet.
Here we go
Volvo toyed with the idea to develop a hybrid vehicle. It is basically an all electric vehicle which can recharge itself with a four-cylinder Flexifuel engine. A reciprocating engine would power a generator recharging batteries and provide power to the entire system as needed. An interesting side note; the electric drive motors are neatly tucked and incorporated into each of the four wheels.
This video explains the technology in more detail.
The first half of my last hub “Water for Fuel and Chaos will Ensue” discusses the use of water for fuel and how Stanley Meyer accomplishes this. Volvo incorporates the reciprocating engine with attached generator, this can be replaced by a turbine and generator using the fuel created by Stanley Meyers HHO production system.
Why use a turbine instead of a reciprocating engine?
A turbine has its drawbacks when used in the same manner as a reciprocating engine. It cannot provide the torque and quick RPM’s required when directly linked to the drive train to accelerate a vehicle as a reciprocating engine can. But in the configuration the hybrid Volvo uses, much less torque and quick power is required to supply electricity. A slow buildup of RPM’s to bring the generator to speed has no affect on the performance of the vehicle. Batteries provide performance power. The generator’s main job is to recharge the batteries.
Initial investment to install a turbine may prove to be a little higher compared to a reciprocating engine. The durability, longevity and low maintenance costs, more than makes up for the higher cost. The drawback of a reciprocating engine is that it requires reconfiguration and adjustment to accept the many different styles of fuel available, and has many moving parts. A turbine has few moving parts and can accept almost any fuel without adjustment. This is where the turbine shows its true strength. If gasoline is not available just use alcohol, if that is not available, HHO (hydrogen oxygen gas) or propane and so on, without having to reconfigure the turbine.
In the capacity as an electric generator, turbine power is an excellent option. Compactness and miniaturization with high power output, is easily achievable. Therefore, the smallest machines like a lawn mower or motorcycle can be adapted to work as well or better then common engine configurations.
Diesel-electric technology
Some of the largest vehicles on earth already incorporate hybrid diesel-electric technology. This is a relatively new concept in the marine industry and common in American locomotives. The marine industry has a unique opportunity if they incorporate Stanley Meyers technology. Since water is the fuel source and they are surrounded by it, there would be no need for fuel storage tanks. Ocean going vessels would require the addition of a desalination plant since Stanley Meyer’s invention runs on fresh water.
Replacing massive diesel engines with turbines is cost prohibitive and simply not economical, but converting the diesel engine to Stanley Meyers technology will save millions of dollars on fuel costs over the life of the ship. Incorporating turbine technology in new ships would take about the same effort as installing current technology.
Eco tanker MS Amulet
A new inland barge in the Netherlands, the “MS Amulet” has incorporated diesel electric hybrid technology with an average fuel savings over similar ships between 30% to 40%. Western European’s technical know how, precision engineering and willingness to invest in new technology and ideas makes them the high tech leaders. The future development may include HHO for fuel and turbine generators.
Eco tanker MS Amulet video with subtitles
Current automotive development
Volvo has built 25 fully electric cars, without the recharge concept, which are currently being tested in real time, in real world situations. These cars require a recharge from an outside source which at present takes eight hours. The addition of a turbine generator with Stanley Meyer’s system for recharging would only require filling your tank with water. This would cause the vehicle to be more self reliant. There would no longer be an eight hour wait before you can drive the car. Another option is using an ultra capacitor which can charge batteries in a matter of seconds.
C30 Electric - 1 Volvo video
In conclusion
Based on the information of a few days research, turbine generators used to recharge batteries or supply continuous power for electric vehicles has the potential to become a beneficial and lucrative business.
Comments
Thanks for the extra info. I’m going to take a look at the links you added. A recent documentary showed a large Naval vessel powered by a turbine attaining unusualy high speeds. I see how the exhaust temp’s can be a problem. When observing the high performance of a heavy helicopter, then realizing the entire contraption is powered by a tiny little turbine makes me wonder what that compact powerhouse other applications could be.
Over my head but it is something I want to keep track of. I ran into water being used to fuel cars when I was doing some research ealier this year. I was wondering why it hasn't been used more.
New info: The Jaguar C-X75 Electric-Turbine Concept has a range of 900 km. They have successfully incorporated two micro turbines to recharge batteries. See the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaF9iYw--QI&feature
It is hard to pin-point the true reason, but I lean toward oil conspiracy.
Please, don't slobber on my toes - you're the innovator (the other term for inventor) and this baby is all yours. Besides, I could not have written about this with the passion you obviously have for this idea.
I loved the Amulet and the honest self evaluation they give about having to prove the technology, but as the narrator said at the end, they are well on their way and it seems to be working just fine.
It's amazing that electric can be used in so many ways, although I was disappointed that Volvo is trying to make their vehicle run without an engine - it reduces the versatility of a vehicle because there is no way you want to take that car on a roadtrip and instead you will have to depend on public transportation or a second gas vehicle anyway. But I love that they are pushing the technology to the limit and driving all the wheels which eliminates the need for a traditional transmission.
The turbine coupled with the the HHO system would be the perfect solution for our time. If fuel cell technology ever becomes a viable solution, THEN we can dump the "carbon" engine, but again, that would make us more dependent on a central source of power. Then again, gas is kind of centrally controlled too as the government and oil companies fight with each other to control our money and our votes.
I fully agree with you that mating a turbine with HHO technology and an electric drive system is the way to go. I think it is the ultimate solution.
Thanks for that enormous vote of confidence. I hope that this tech. becomes commonplace someday. It is ridiculous to have to fight with big corporations just to get “good things” done. They have to much control. Yes, HHO-turbine-electric is the way to go.
kschang 4 months ago
Turbine engines were not used in cars because cars need to operate at a wide variety of speeds, whereas turbines only works best at ONE particular speed. Turbines also have a HUGE throttle lag, and have tremendous exhaust temperatures that makes coming near them when the car's at idle dangerous.
Hybrid technology may help with the throttle lag as the turbines never drive the wheels directly, but adds to the complexity and sort of takes away the elegance of having a turbine in the first place.
GM made a couple test cars called the Firebird in 1953 and later. Chrysler made a limited production in 1963
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Firebi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car